tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post546197665329436900..comments2023-08-16T07:20:09.921-05:00Comments on Kineti L'Tziyon קנאתי לציון: Replacement Theology: A House of CardsJudah Gabriel Himangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-13876139818256180922008-05-23T09:36:00.000-05:002008-05-23T09:36:00.000-05:00Thanks, yes that does come to mind. I love the Bea...Thanks, yes that does come to mind. I love the Beatitudes. A Messianic Jewish psalmist by the name of Marty Goetz has put it music in a really beautiful way: <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://judahhimango.com/music/messianic/Messianic - Marty Goetz - Sanctuary - 05 - Blessings on the Mountain.mp3" REL="nofollow">Marty Goetz - Blessings on the Mountain.mp3</A>Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-8292422206425934572008-05-22T20:34:00.000-05:002008-05-22T20:34:00.000-05:00Thanks Judah for taking the time to share that wit...Thanks Judah for taking the time to share that with me. When I read it Matthew 5 came to mind...<BR/><BR/><I>"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. <BR/><BR/>Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. <BR/><BR/>Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."</I>Gary Kirkhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12870342469118915243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-39370369579838648172008-05-21T10:26:00.000-05:002008-05-21T10:26:00.000-05:00Gary,The typical Judaic Jew (someone who doesn't b...Gary,<BR/><BR/>The typical Judaic Jew (someone who <BR/>doesn't believe Yeshua is the Messiah) would consider me an heretic, absolutely. A Jewish man will tell me, "There is no room for Jesus in Judaism!"<BR/><BR/>I suspect that our good friend Leckey here, while perhaps less observant that typical religious Jews, wouldn't consider me a real member of the Jewish faith because of my beliefs. What do you say, Leckey?<BR/><BR/>I would say the typical Jew wouldn't deem me anti-Jewish provided that person knew me personally.<BR/><BR/>But at a glance and without knowing me, there would be some deeply religious Jews who would consider me anti-Jewish in the strongest way, on par with Hitler's anti-Jewish stance, since I believe in Yeshua and teach others to do so. In their eyes, this is extremely anti-Jewish because they believe it is converting them to foreign religion Christianity, which they see as an idolatrous religion. They will say converting Jews to a foreign religion is worse than what Hitler did, because it takes away Jewish culture and identity, something even Hitler could not accomplish. Today, if a Jew comes to believe in Y'shua as the Jewish Messiah, it is customary for the Orthodox to recite the prayers reserved for a death in the family -- they see a Jew believing in Yeshua as a death of Jew.<BR/><BR/>(For the record, we wish no such thing -- no new religion, no loss of Jewish identity. We do not believe that Yeshua, whom the gentiles call Jesus, came to start a new religion. Thus, Christianity is a Hellenized, Roman-led departure from the Hebrew faith. Messianic Judaism is NOT Jewish Christianity. <A HREF="http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com/" REL="nofollow">Derek's blog</A> talks a lot about this.)<BR/><BR/>You asked, "Is there persecution of believers?"<BR/><BR/>In Israel, there is much persecution of Messianic Jews and vanilla Christians by the ultra-Orthodox Haredi sect of Jews. (The strictest, most religious form of Judaism today, they are by all means modern Pharisees. If you remember the recent conversations on the blog, we've discussed how they are theological descendants of the house of Rabbi Hillel, many of whom were known as Pharisees. In modern day, the Haredi have reinstated the Sanhedrin, and I've been told they wish to establish a kingship in place of the secular government.)<BR/><BR/>You may remember <A HREF="http://judahgabriel.blogspot.com/2007/07/orthodox-jews-are-persecuting-messianic.html" REL="nofollow">this video</A> which simply films the persecution going on. The Haredi will walk around a Messianic man's house and shout, <BR/><BR/><I>"Stay away from these people!<BR/><BR/>They give you food only to baptize your children into Christianity! <BR/><BR/>They are the worst enemies of the Jewish people! <BR/><BR/>They killed 6 million Jews in the Holocaust! <BR/><BR/>Jesus was the scum of the Jews and you made him your god!"</I> (Actual quotes from the above video.)<BR/><BR/>They firebombed a Messianic outreach that distributed food and tracts to poor and to the homeless.<BR/><BR/>In another incident, and I don't think I mentioned this on the blog, but about 2 months ago a Messianic teen by the name of Ami Ortiz, son of a Jewish mother and Mexican Christian father, was nearly killed by an exploding package delivered to the family's house.<BR/><BR/>Now Ami's father had an Islamic Fatwa issued against him by Islamic clerics for his preaching and distributing of Bibles in the Palestinian territories. But he's also hated and stalked by the Haredi for his preaching to the Jews. <BR/><BR/>After Mr. Ortiz' house was firebombed a previous year, he installed security cameras on his house. 2 months ago when this new bomb was delivered to his home, a bomb meant for Mr. Ortiz but opened by his teenage son, the security cameras caught a well-known Jewish extremist delivering the package.<BR/><BR/>What a shame.<BR/><BR/>(As a side note, the bomb's shockwave shattered the windows of their house and the surrounding cars, and left the boy's body inflicted with nails all over. Amazingly, the boy didn't die and was taken to an ICU where he's currently recovering.)<BR/><BR/>Even up until this spring, the government of the state of Israel refused the "Right of Return" law to Messianic Jews -- if you were Jewish, you're allowed to immigrate to Israel, but if you're Jewish and believe in Yeshua, you're denied.<BR/><BR/>The Ministry of Interior was actively seeking out Messianics in Israel and revoking their citizenship, essentially forcing them to leave the country.<BR/><BR/>So yes, Gary, absolutely there is persecution in Israel, in many ways it is as vitriolic as it was in Paul's day. Instead of stonings, we have bombings.<BR/><BR/>Outside of Israel, though, the worst you'll see is some Jews calling Messianic Jews "not Jewish" or not a member of the Jewish faith because of their belief in Y'shua as Messiah of Israel.<BR/><BR/>It's a real damn shame persecution has occurred on both sides! And for so long. What a shame.<BR/><BR/>On the Christian side, anti-Jewish theologies such as Replacement Theology have contributed to Christian persecution of Jews, which is why I am speaking so strongly against it. The most we can do on this side of the fence is put an end to Christian persecution of Jews.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-14680151379002901112008-05-20T21:59:00.000-05:002008-05-20T21:59:00.000-05:00I don't really have a comment about the OP, other ...I don't really have a comment about the OP, other than I have never believed in "replacement theology." What "Lecky" wrote did set me to thinking, however. Judah, would your typical Jewish non-believer in Yeshua consider you to be anti-Jewish or even heretical like they did in the time of Jesus? I know that Jews aren't actively persecuting believers today like they did when Saul had his "heyday," but is there still animosity there?<BR/><BR/>In Christ,<BR/>GaryGary Kirkhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12870342469118915243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-25093983129038418082008-05-20T21:05:00.000-05:002008-05-20T21:05:00.000-05:00It's good to hear more Christians embracing the Je...It's good to hear more Christians embracing the Jews than being anti-Jew. I hope it spreads.Citizen Craptastichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15781829803826555001noreply@blogger.com