tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post5266180200871581025..comments2023-08-16T07:20:09.921-05:00Comments on Kineti L'Tziyon קנאתי לציון: Are We Christian?Judah Gabriel Himangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-22004959565193971542009-08-10T12:12:50.383-05:002009-08-10T12:12:50.383-05:00Ah, 3 anti-missionaries in 1 post -- Judah vs. the...Ah, 3 anti-missionaries in 1 post -- Judah vs. the anti-missionaries. Bring it on! :-)<br /><br />I notice all 3 of you avoided talking about the shameful violence perpetrated by the anti-missionaries against Jews who believe in Messiah. Comments?<br /><br />You are worse than the Jehova's Witnesses -- at least they are nonviolent, respectful, and upfront about trying to convert you to their religion. <br /><br />You folks, on the other hand, use shameful covert tactics (see @YesJewish on Twitter), are violent (see Yad L'achim, they are on trial in Israel for violence against Messianic Jews), and disrespectful of my faith, resorting to name-calling.<br /><br />You guys shame Judaism.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-27801708702875666562009-07-29T21:47:18.445-05:002009-07-29T21:47:18.445-05:00Judah,
You recommended the article "Frequen...Judah, <br /><br />You recommended the article "Frequently avoided questions on divinity of Yeshua". It says that some quotes say that only G-d is Israel's savior, but there are a few quotes in the Hebrew Bible that say that G-d sent Israel saviors. I don't know how that writer explains that, but the article sounds wrong to me. I can't list quotes right now, but I have seen some I am sure.<br /><br />Kenneth<br /><br />KennethAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-10444395046029821262009-07-20T12:13:14.844-05:002009-07-20T12:13:14.844-05:00@JudahGabriel
Nowhere in Tanach does it say that...@JudahGabriel<br /> <br />Nowhere in Tanach does it say that a/the Moshiach is G-d or a savior. You are confusing (Moshiach) anointed with (Moshia) savior.<br />Does a person’s <b>name</b> make him god?<br /><br />--Next--<br /><br />My eyes and mind is open but what you want is to pray that <b>my heart</b> should know <b>"your" hearts</b> temptations.<br /><br />Idolatry is a temptation like all others temptations.<br /><br />Just like when a person has a crush on someone, his logical side of his brain shuts down when it comes to that person. He might say that he really thought about it and he knows it is the right thing, but we know that it is impossible for him to think logically when it comes to this person.<br />What is necessary for this person to do to get out of the crush? He has to overpower his emotion and stop thinking about this person the whole time.<br />Then he can try to start thinking again logically. Only then can he start the process of recovering from his crush and continue is life as normal. It can and most times is a very long and painful process but it is a necessity.<br /><br />Idolatry comes from relying on ones heart as fact. It's not something that is logical.<br /><br />It's your choice and it's in your power to look into this with an open mind, a real open mind.<br /><br />The Creator of the World (G-d) should help you.<br />Shalom.@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-33152171279829091892009-07-20T10:24:44.220-05:002009-07-20T10:24:44.220-05:00Messiah is one with G-d. The Torah and the Prophet...Messiah is one with G-d. The Torah and the Prophets do speak of faith and vindication in G-d.<br /><br />Dear blog readers, please note that Yad L'achim (as the previous commenter posted as) is an anti-Messianic organization that has committed acts of violence against Messiah's followers in Israel. They are currently on trial in Israeli courts for their vigilante violence. Please pray that G-d would open their eyes and turn these precious people to away from hatred and towards love through Messiah.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-64362141391511704982009-07-20T08:57:15.195-05:002009-07-20T08:57:15.195-05:00The Torah and or the Prophets do not speak of the ...The Torah and or the Prophets do not speak of the vindication of the<br />worshipers of the Messiah.<br /><br />There is nothing about having faith in the Messiah.<br /><br />No where in scripture does it say that eternal salvation is achieved through devotion to the Messiah.Yad L'Achimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10831630370535708400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-18345542111275238732009-07-16T16:30:21.371-05:002009-07-16T16:30:21.371-05:00Striving For Pleasure by Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi<a href="http://divineinformation.com/downloads/Rabbi%20Yossi%20Mizrachi%20Striving%20For%20Pleasure%202009%2002%2025.wmv" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Striving For Pleasure by Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi</a>@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-90942010090904320182009-07-16T16:23:09.659-05:002009-07-16T16:23:09.659-05:00There is no basis to the concept of believing in t...There is no basis to the concept of <b>believing</b> in the Moshiach in Tanach or Maimonides (as I posted before).<br /><br />I'll go even a step further and say that there is no basis to the concept of believing that there is a G-d.<br /><br />Believing == Not Knowing.<br />I don't believe that there is a G-d, I know that there is a G-d.@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-15332150762323763282009-07-16T16:09:34.716-05:002009-07-16T16:09:34.716-05:00Been on the journey a long time, my friend. It tak...Been on the journey a long time, my friend. It takes courage for a Jew to believe in G-d's Messiah, especially when the Orthodox leaders curse us divide families, saying, "You believe in Yeshua?! You're dead to us!"<br /><br />Takes courage to stand up for Messiah when the ultra Orthodox extremists <a href="http://judahgabriel.blogspot.com/2007/07/orthodox-jews-are-persecuting-messianic.html" rel="nofollow">persecute and harass us in Israel</a>, or when they <a href="http://judahgabriel.blogspot.com/2008/05/more-orthodox-persecution-of-messianics.html" rel="nofollow">burn our books or bomb our children</a>.<br /><br />Standing up to these cowards takes a lot of courage. But many Jews have made that leap to Messiah. And many continue to. I will pray you do the same.<br /><br />Shalom.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-29810694564424050152009-07-16T16:01:48.947-05:002009-07-16T16:01:48.947-05:00Judah Himango G-d should help you on your journey ...Judah Himango G-d should help you on your journey for the truth if you plan to take it.<br /><br />Hatzlacha.@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-76375203206745707822009-07-16T15:59:21.011-05:002009-07-16T15:59:21.011-05:00@JudahGabriel
So where are the contradictions in t...@JudahGabriel<br />So where are the contradictions in the Torah the one we have? What you feel/think is amusing isn't a contradictions.<br /><br />You’re running off to the Dead Sea Scrolls because that’s all you have (and is still very week) but that is a whole other topic. And it doesn't prove an error in the text we have and you also can’t prove that that is the valid one.<br /><br />Let’s put it this way you accept a divine book that you agree has errors. So how do you prove if a book is divine? How can you prove what parts are errors and what’s not? How do you know that the book of Mormons isn’t divine or is it?<br /><br />If the reason you believe in Yeshu is because of the prayers you prayed and the feelings you had then where is the bases of your religion??? Why do you need to prove your feelings?<br /><br />Maybe G-d is trying to tell/show you something with this whole debate? Maybe he wants you to go and make research into everything we discuses here and more, you might be right, but there might be a slight chance that you’re wrong and it’s your obligation to check it out don’t just rely on your prayers. (G-d gave us a brain for a reason, Use It)<br /><br />This journey should to be with an Open Mind which I understand is very hard at the least. <a rel="nofollow">http://divineinformation.com/</a> might be a nice place to start.@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-75473219328514311812009-07-16T14:39:51.210-05:002009-07-16T14:39:51.210-05:00@J.K. McKee It really is nice to here what you *fe...@J.K. McKee It really is nice to here what you *feel* about how this large amount of people can be frigtened by 600 chariots. Sorry man but your *fealings* doesn't invalidate the Torah. (Did you consider How many people where in each chariot? how many ammunition did they have compared to the Jews?, etc...)<br /><br />Have you ever really learned the Talmud (except for searching over it to find proof text for Yeshu)? To say what Orthodox Jewish scholars consider in its Torah study.<br /><br />There are many things that people accused the Jewish people for and I don't think it was for being stupid. We make sure that every thing is valid and can be answered, we aren't looking to just do the Mitzvot for the fun of it.@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-13754174115586722852009-07-16T13:59:56.820-05:002009-07-16T13:59:56.820-05:00Another amusing one I discovered in my own studies...Another amusing one I discovered in my own studies, one of apparent scribe exaggeration, is from the Dead Sea Scrolls.<br /><br />The Masoretic Text, upon which most Jewish and Christian bibles are based, renders Goliath as almost 9 feet tall -- a giant.<br /><br />However, the Dead Sea scrolls render him at about 6'6" -- making him 1 inch shorter than me! Wahooo! I edge out Goliath! :-)<br /><br />Also, other Jewish sources put Goliath at the 6'6", including the Jewish historian Josephus.<br /><br />The Septuagint, IIRC, recorded him at an intermediate height between the original 6'6" and the final MT's 9'0".<br /><br />The main issue here is that Orthodox Jewish fundamentalists and anti-missionaries criticize the New Testament for the smallest of details. Applying their standard to the Tenakh, they would be atheists.<br /><br />This doesn't mean the Tenakh is not God-inspired, it just means men have made errors, some deliberate, some accidental. <br /><br />I had a great deal of internal angst and spent weeks in prayer over this. I felt G-d say very clearly to me, what we have today is by His hand. While not intellectually stimulating nor answering all my questions, it was enough for me.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-88040308130432876362009-07-16T13:12:38.810-05:002009-07-16T13:12:38.810-05:00I guess you are not informed as to the debate over...I guess you are not informed as to the debate over how to translate <i>elef</i> in light of Ancient Near Eastern sources. Does it really mean "thousand," or "squad" or "troop"?<br /><br />Really, how could over 2 million people--including women and children--be frigtened by a mere 600 chariots (Exodus 14:7)? Maybe 100,000...<br /><br />These are the kinds of things that I have found that Orthodox Jewish scholarship just does not consider in its Torah study. I think that you anti-missionaries need to leave us alone until you get some of your own Biblical examination out of fundamentalist land.J.K. McKeehttp://tnnonline.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-56283160314150341882009-07-16T13:07:31.587-05:002009-07-16T13:07:31.587-05:00@JudahGabriel
If you know that these are without ...@JudahGabriel<br /><br />If you know that these are without doubt contradictions can the Torah still be considered divine?<br /><br />You wrote "the Torah records one genealogy and the prophets record a different one" Can you please provide the locations?.<br /><br />Is "Remember" and "Observe" isn't a contradiction.<br /><br />"the Lord or the Satan stirred up David" This isn't a contradiction the way we understand the Satan (an angle of G-d). While the way the Christians understand the Satan it might be a problem.<br /><br /><b>You might want to accept contradictions in your Scriptures (we don't), so are you saying that G-d can contradict himself? He can make mistakes?</b><br /><br />@J.K. McKee Yup without Exodus from Egypt, there is no Judaism. <br />But there are Egyptian record for it. And it's not like only one or two people left Egypt it was at least 600,000 people. Also check out http://www.exodusconspiracy.com/@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-81692090448426178402009-07-16T12:54:41.543-05:002009-07-16T12:54:41.543-05:00We could obviously go back and forth on the questi...We could obviously go back and forth on the questions to one another, but I will simply go to the top to prove my point of how some could use your methods in discrediting the historicity of the New Testament, to the Tanach.<br /><br />Without the Exodus from Egypt, you have no Judaism. If the Exodus really took place, why is there no Egyptian record for it?J.K. McKeehttp://tnnonline.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-8355632145903803852009-07-16T12:36:53.388-05:002009-07-16T12:36:53.388-05:00It may come as a surprise to you that the Tenakh c...It may come as a surprise to you that the Tenakh contains genealogy differences just as the New Testament does -- the Torah records one genealogy and the prophets record a different one. Please look this up for yourself.<br /><br />Another contradiction is between Samuel and Chronicles, where one says the wrath of the Lord stirred up David, and another says Satan stirred up David. <br /><br />Another is where Exodus records God speaking on Mt. Sinai "Remember the sabbath day", yet Deuteronomy records God saying, "Honor the sabbath day", and Jewish tradition holds God said both at the same time!<br /><br /><b>Both sides must accept that we each have apparent contradictions in our Scriptures, then we can move forward with understanding.</b><br /><br />What we do is go back and rightly understand that Yeshua's message was a Jewish message of salvation. When the Messiah comes, will it just be for the Jews? Or will it be for the whole world? In Jewish thinking, it will be for the whole world.<br /><br />I say the Messiah has come for the Jewish people and for the whole world.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-83794114249488727052009-07-16T12:08:53.545-05:002009-07-16T12:08:53.545-05:00JudahGabriel,@J.K. McKee
There is a very easy way...JudahGabriel,@J.K. McKee<br /><br />There is a very easy way to Test if a book that is said to be from G-d (divine), really is from G-d and not a fraud.<br />We know that G-d doesn't make any mistakes and that he doesn't contradict himself so you just have to find ONE mistake or contradiction in a book that is claimed to be divine and you know that it can't be from G-d. But can’t you say that maybe the book is from G-d except for these few verse? You can say that but what makes you so sure that the parts you do except isn’t the second mistake, etc...<br />You claim that the New Testament is divine that’s nice, but I see that even you agree that there are contradictions in the New Testament so how can it be divine?<br />You say that “for every conflict in the New Testament, one can raise 5 in the Tenakh”.<br />Go ahead let’s here? I am not interested to listen to book that isn’t from G-d.<br />Why do you rely on the Tanach as a valid source of your proof about Yeshu if you can’t even prove that the Tanach is divine?<br /><br />If you find ONE mistake in the Torah then it can’t be divine and that means that I don't have to follow anything that it says in there and that is the reason why we go through the Torah and make sure it is valid down until the last letter. Who wants to follow a book made up by man? Why do I have to listen to what some man has to say?<br />Judaism isn’t easy, it’s not like you can just believe in some person or spirit and that’s it. Judaism has 613 commandments. Who wants to keep all of these laws if we can’t prove that it’s from G-d?<br /><br />@JudahGabriel<br />I use the gospels because it’s YOUR only source of PROOF for all the so called prophecies in the Tanach. But no I don't use the New Testament as proof to anything because it isn't even considered a valid historical reference book.<br />On the other hand YOU also use the Talmud as PROOF not me.<br />The Talmud isn’t called a divine book of G-d and so you can’t bring proof from it.<br /><br />Conclusion: If there is a mistake or contradiction in the Torah then everything else isn’t important (Tanach, Talmud, your so called New Testament). No proof can be taken from it and that would also mean that believing in Yeshu as god has no source for it.@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-57699017311887031512009-07-16T12:05:56.547-05:002009-07-16T12:05:56.547-05:00@JudahGabriel,@J.K. McKee Some questions to think ...@JudahGabriel,@J.K. McKee Some questions to think about.<br /><br />What is the Torah?<br />What is Judaism? What is it based on?<br />How can we be 100% sure that the Torah is from G-d (divine)? How can we test it?<br />How do we know that it wasn’t edited by humans later on?<br />How do we know that the Torah isn’t a man made book?<br />Why do we have to follow everything that is written in the Torah?<br />Who wrote the Nevi'im ("Prophets") and Ketuvim ("Writings")?<br />Are they even claimed to be divine?<br />How do we know that the Prophecies that the Prophets say are in fact from G-d? How can we test them?<br />What is the Oral Torah?<br />How do we know about the Oral Torah? Is it binding?<br />How do we know that the Oral Torah was given to Moshe when G-d gave him the Torah?<br />Can we follow the Written Torah without the Oral Torah?<br />Why do religious Jews follow the Oral Torah?<br />What is the Talmud? What’s it trying to accomplish?<br />Why all the seemingly small things in the Talmud? Does it all matter?<br />Is the Talmud considered the Oral Torah?<br />Is the Talmud considered divine?<br />Was the Talmud just made up by some Rabbis about 2000 years ago?<br />I won’t answer them. You can find out more at http://divineinformation.com/ and also http://sellmeyourjewishsoul.com/@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-70552470598283570832009-07-16T10:35:43.042-05:002009-07-16T10:35:43.042-05:00@YesJewish
Here is a book written by a fellow Jew...@YesJewish<br /><br />Here is a book written by a fellow Jew, Gary Greenberg, that you probably need to consider:<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/101-Myths-Bible-Invented-Biblical/dp/1570718423/ref=pd_sim_b_41<br /><br />I only point this out to you to demonstrate that while you find there to be problems with the reliability of Apostolic Scriptures (New Testament), the same approach you take can be more readily applied to the Tanach. If you want to claim that the New Testament is pagan, such is your choice--but please be willing to consider such "paganism" in your own Tanach.J.K. McKeehttp://tnnonline.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-64568239011050378692009-07-16T10:12:24.834-05:002009-07-16T10:12:24.834-05:00@JudahGabriel you wrote "For every supposed c...@JudahGabriel you wrote "For every supposed conflict in the New Testament, one can raise 5 in the Tenakh, and 10 in the Talmud."<br /><br />Think into this sentence and please tell whats wrong with it?<br />If you can't think of anything this is really very sad and there is something wrong in what you believe in.<br />Well except if you would like to tell me that you are a Pagan.<br /><br />I'll answer the other things in a another comment.@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-58426849831361960492009-07-15T22:32:02.434-05:002009-07-15T22:32:02.434-05:00Why do you only listen to some of the things it wr...<i>Why do you only listen to some of the things it writes and not to every thing?</i><br /><br />I would ask you the same thing about the gospels.<br /><br /><i>you go searching through the Talmud to find proof. ... And now you are also taking proof from the Jewish encyclopedia.</i><br /><br />Orthodox Jewish examination of the Tanach is frequently devoid of external discussion regarding history.<br /><br />Anti-missionaries often set themselves off to the side, isolating themselves in a theological vacuum. We should not be shocked to see that the factors of history, setting, and linguistics are often not employed in their criticisms of the Apostolic Scriptures or New Testament. If they are not of the habit of employing these things in how they examine the Tanach, they will certainly not be employed when examining the Apostolic Scriptures and life of Yeshua. Ironically enough, in many cases they ignore some of their own literature which reflects various interpretations and opinions regarding key Messianic texts.<br /><br />In fact, you have done precisely this, ignoring the writings of your own rabbis and modern Judaic views regarding Jeconiah -- all in a desperate attempt to sling mud on Yeshua.<br /><br /><i>Anyway we see that the New Testament is inconsistent with the genealogy and therefore it can't be used as proof in any direction.</i><br /><br />For every supposed conflict in the New Testament, one can raise 5 in the Tenakh, and 10 in the Talmud.<br /><br />I propose that the geneological differences between Matthew and Luke are no different than the differences between the Torah and those recorded in the prophets.<br /><br />We can talk about this further if you'd like. The more faulty arguments you raise, the more I am convinced of Yeshua's Messiahship, the more I am convinced G-d will bring yet more Jews to join us Messianic Jews in worshiping the G-d of Israel through His Messiah, Yeshua.<br /><br />...hat tip to J.K. McKee, if you're reading this!Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-15529566864834593892009-07-15T19:14:48.479-05:002009-07-15T19:14:48.479-05:00It's interesting to see that every time you ca...It's interesting to see that every time you can't find proof from Tanach you go searching through the Talmud to find proof. Does the Talmud agree with you on Yeshu too? Why do you only listen to some of the things it writes and not to every thing? Do you even know how to read a page of the Talmud? And now you are also taking proof from the Jewish encyclopedia.<br /><br />You write "His son, in fact, does rule over Judah, contrary to the curse." This isn't true, his son doesn't rule over Judah and his grandson Zerubbabel was never a *King* over Judah.<br /><br />Anyway we see that the New Testament is inconsistent with the genealogy and therefore it can't be used as proof in any direction.<br />Luke 3:31 "was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David" and this is from the father side as it says in verse 23 "being the son of Joseph" and interesting enough is that Matthew 1 also stats the genealogy through Joseph but here it's Jechoniah and Solomon. Someone here isn't saying the truth.<br /><br />Also there is no evidence that Mary descends from David. Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn’t help Yeshu, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother. (Numbers 1:18 and Ezra 2:59)<br /><br />So which one is the correct one? And why do you pick one over the other? And whats with the virgin birth?@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-57690809824078518482009-07-15T17:24:28.918-05:002009-07-15T17:24:28.918-05:00@YesJewish,
Let's look at one of your argumen...@YesJewish,<br /><br />Let's look at one of your arguments. I will keep this short and address just one. In another post, we can dissect another.<br /><br />You said,<br /><br /><i>"The anointed must be a direct Male descendant of King David and King Solomon and can’t be a descendant from Jeconiah?" Even this that is not even super natural he can't fulfill fully.</i><br /><br />Response: You're citing Jermiah 22's curse of Jeconiah. Later in the Tenakh, and confirmed in the Talmud and even acknowledged in the modern Jewish Encyclopedia, we find Jeconiah repented to G-d and his curse was revoked:<br /><br />-He is restored from prison<br />-His son, in fact, does rule over Judah, contrary to the curse.<br />-His name is restored to Jehoichin.<br /><br />The Jewish encyclopedia says this,<br /><br /><i>Jehoiachin's sad experiences [in Babylon] changed his nature entirely, and as he repented of the sins which he had committed as king he was pardoned by God, who revoked the decree to the effect that none of his descendants should ever become king (Jer. xxii. 30; Pesiḳ., ed. Buber, xxv. 163a, b); he even became the ancestor of the Messiah (Tan., Toledot, 20 [ed. Buber, i. 140]). It was especially his firmness in fulfilling the Law that restored him to God's favor. He was kept by Nebuchadnezzar in solitary confinement, and as he was therefore separated from his wife, the Sanhedrin, which had been expelled with him to Babylon, feared that at the death of this queen the house of David would become extinct.</i><br /><br />Thankfully for the Sanhedrin, and for us, the house of David did not become extinct -- thank G-d -- and he had descendants, his son ruled over Judah, and Messiah came from his line.<br /><br />Your objections to Yeshua as Messiah are unfounded.<br /><br />Next?<br /><br />p.s. I would especially like to address Isaiah 53 next, since Targumic material often interpreted this as a messianic passage.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-77871954277439758402009-07-15T17:19:24.604-05:002009-07-15T17:19:24.604-05:00Side note: (from link provided) "Actually, th...Side note: (from link provided) "Actually, there are ancient sources that have explicit reference to a supernatural, virgin-born savior, who dies by murder to achieve salvation for believers who can experience him by eating of his blood and body...You can read all about it in the mythologies about Mithra, Osiris, Krishna, Tammuz, Adonis, Dionysus, Bacchus, Isis, etc."@YesJewishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-74191567461779757052009-07-15T16:38:38.313-05:002009-07-15T16:38:38.313-05:00@JudahGabriel How did Yeshu fulfill "The anoi...@JudahGabriel How did Yeshu fulfill "The anointed must be a direct Male descendant of King David and King Solomon and can’t be a descendant from Jeconiah?" Even this that is not even super natural he can't fulfill fully.<br /><br />It's nice to see that you fail to find proof in Tanach so you go to the Talmud. But you use the Talmud like a drunk uses a lamp post - not for illumination, but for support. more http://ow.ly/hns7<br /><br />The Talmud talks about the descendant of Joseph(one of the 12 tribes of Israel). So was Yeshu a descendant of Joseph?<br /><br />Where does it say in Tanach that the messiah will be a suffering servant? (Isaiah 53 talks about the Jewish people you can even go and ask non-Jewish Biblical scholars)<br /><br />Does Yeshu even give the Image of the character in Isaiah 53?<br />All the pictures I see from him he doesn't look like a man that people want to hide there face from him.<br />Is a few hours on the cross called a man of pains?<br />The New Testament describes people coming from all over Israel, is that called "and as one from whom men hide their face"?<br />Was Yeshu a man of disease?<br />Whats with "despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face".<br /><br />Isaiah 53 clearly doesn't paint the picture we know of Yeshu.<br /><br /><br />Please show me how I should write the [SetUp] method.@YesJewish (Anonymous)noreply@blogger.com