tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post2736086624672098797..comments2023-08-16T07:20:09.921-05:00Comments on Kineti L'Tziyon קנאתי לציון: I’m discouraged by Jewish anti-missionariesJudah Gabriel Himangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-31136452120515414902011-05-26T10:48:20.907-05:002011-05-26T10:48:20.907-05:00"sending spies to spy on MJs"
That woul..."sending spies to spy on MJs"<br /><br />That would be a good thing. Some may learn of the good MJ territory (and desire it), as Joshua and Caleb found the Promised Land to be good (and desired it).<br /><br />And there are good "anti-missionaries" just as there are bad ones. Paul started out as a bad one, then saw the Light and converted to be an anti-Helenism-missionary. Shouldn't we all be so? And anti- the Helenized concept of a Torah-breaking ~Jesus~ is integral with the saving faith of believers, isn't it?<br /><br />No wonder the Jews are anti-(modern)-Christianity -- how can they see the true first century Christianity of the Jewish Apostles? MJs just get the spill-over from 2 millennia of Catholic apostasy<br /><br />YakAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-35677480200291098152011-05-26T10:46:12.448-05:002011-05-26T10:46:12.448-05:00I agree wholeheartedly, we should bind together ov...I agree wholeheartedly, we should bind together over what's most important, and the faith in Yeshua that holds us together in God's love. That is vital for us as believers. <br /><br />We will each have different ideas, as to how we should live out this faith, based on how we honestly understand God's revealed truths.<br /><br />We have to look beyond our pretty theological patterns, to find the deep, common bond in Moshiach. <br /><br />Not always easy, as we all know.Joseph Whttp://www.roshpinaproject.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-39029117370416931002011-05-26T10:44:25.971-05:002011-05-26T10:44:25.971-05:00I hadn't intended to comment, but I think we s...I hadn't intended to comment, but I think we should be clear that anyone can use bad methods or have bad motives. A Jewish person is no more or less immune to "spewing vitriol" than a Christian (or anyone else for that matter). It's not the faith or the peoplehood we claim but how we practice our faith that matters.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-18785034901593425842011-05-26T08:54:25.630-05:002011-05-26T08:54:25.630-05:00"Fundamentalist Jews come in two stripes...&q..."Fundamentalist Jews come in two stripes..."<br /><br />You mean "Orthodox". Down where I live some of the most active and aggressive anti-missionaries I've known were a reconstructionist (demonstrating with signs in front of MJ synagogues) and a conservative (sending spies to spy on MJs). <br /><br />EVERY faith expression comes in more than one stripe.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-7650624133547271572011-05-26T08:32:48.250-05:002011-05-26T08:32:48.250-05:00Judah:
Good post. Fundamentalist Jews come in two...Judah:<br /><br />Good post. Fundamentalist Jews come in two stripes (as do fundamentalist Christians): (1) those who put practice of Judaism first and thus are ethical people and (2) those who (insecure?) put arguments defending their views and attacking all others first.<br /><br />I too have been shocked by the vitriol. I have heard from victims of the bullying in Israel. No one deserves that. The Jewish world has its own Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist look-alikes.<br /><br />I liked what you said about how what we have in common overshadows the ways we differ.<br /><br />Derek LemanDerek Lemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03693937472641309402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-31951743021694477572011-05-26T08:01:12.025-05:002011-05-26T08:01:12.025-05:00"Really anti-missionaries have a kind of spir..."Really anti-missionaries have a kind of spirit which a lot like antisemitism and hatred of Jews but intended at Christians and Jewish believers."<br /><br />Jeff, what are you smoking making such a comparison?! You should be ashamed of yourself! Antisemities want Jews dead and physically removed from the planet just for being Jews (no matter what those Jews happen to believe), while antimissionaries simply do not want fellow Jews to convert to Christianity or any other religions they deem idolatrous. Antisemitism produced the likes of Hitler, Stalin, ben Laden and others who have sent countless innocent Jews and others to their deaths, and have reigned misery and destruction on whole nations. How many people have the Jewish antimissionaries slaughtered?Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-71812191573920202982011-05-26T07:16:36.467-05:002011-05-26T07:16:36.467-05:00many critics of Messianic Judaism think all Christ...many critics of Messianic Judaism think all Christians are missionaries employing aggressive techniques like some sleezy car salesman, and that Judaism does not prosletyse<br /><br />This may be true in some cases, but try visiting the city of Tiberias on the Galilee<br /><br />Here you can see tons of religious people giving out tracts in Hebrew and English often at cars stopped at trafic lights. They often don't accept a no either.<br /><br />Really anti-missionaries have a kind of spirit which a lot like antisemitism and hatred of Jews but intended at Christians and Jewish believers.<br /><br />Thankfully our Lord in heaven has the ability to change people of all kinds, look at Saul of Tarsus for instance.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-86324546919612323412011-05-25T21:46:15.177-05:002011-05-25T21:46:15.177-05:00Common Judah, be cool about it. We reply to them ...Common Judah, be cool about it. We reply to them tit for tat and easily put them in their place.<br /><br />As Golda Meir used to say: Don't be so humble, you are not that great....We have seen some real wars on your blog and we all survived to tell about them....Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-78275790953292248732011-05-25T19:42:42.796-05:002011-05-25T19:42:42.796-05:00Yes, it does alarm and destroy one's inner pea...Yes, it does alarm and destroy one's inner peace... for a while. The unkind words of paid professional hecklers and amateur haters are designed to do so to you. You know you do not need to take their error to heart.<br /><br />Just by being alive and a Jew who know Messiah Yeshua, you are the living, breathing refutation to everything they are saying. Let Jesus be the subject. Interested undecided Jews will read, and the contrast will be obvious.<br /><br /><br />--Ken ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-21366601414542184252011-05-25T19:23:44.210-05:002011-05-25T19:23:44.210-05:00Judah....
It is for this very reason that I don&#...Judah....<br /><br />It is for this very reason that I don't like this kind of verbal attack on my blog.. It just isn't uplifting. There's enough in the world to drag us down. I don't want to add to it.<br /><br />be well my friendDr. Schiffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09056277867894890544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-20465458653769154552011-05-25T19:20:34.975-05:002011-05-25T19:20:34.975-05:00Wow, that was spooky. I thought I'd left a com...Wow, that was spooky. I thought I'd left a comment and then forgot about it.<br /><br />Signed,<br /><br />Another "James"Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593266343873200105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-71997684934964269992011-05-25T16:59:37.269-05:002011-05-25T16:59:37.269-05:00Don't be discouraged Judah - the vitriol of th...Don't be discouraged Judah - the vitriol of the AMs' comments is testimony to the paucity of their arguments. We are on the winning side!Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03522422988636607207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-88548431227875571082011-05-25T16:53:25.766-05:002011-05-25T16:53:25.766-05:00The point of polemic anti-missionaries, is to sap ...The point of polemic anti-missionaries, is to sap the spiritual life out of you.<br /><br />In doing so, they admit you have spiritual life!Joseph Whttp://www.roshpinaproject.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-27725029413264336672011-05-25T14:07:34.920-05:002011-05-25T14:07:34.920-05:00I completely understand how discouraging this kind...I completely understand how discouraging this kind of behavior can be, but we need to remember that it is an honor for us. I know that's easy to say, but Yeshua commanded us to love one another. This is also easy to say and sounds cliche at this point in history with everything we see around us - but it's no less true. I have to agree with Gene. We are the ones who are to demonstrate light and love - His light and love, no matter how we are treated. We are His disciples and emissaries. How can they know love, who don't know the Father? How can they see the Father unless we show Him to them? This is a command, and one that will become so much more important (and difficult) as the day grows more and more dark. In some ways, this mark of obedience, will eclipse all the others in that day.<br /><br />"If the world hates you, know that it hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own, but because you are not of the world, for I chose you out of the world, the world hates you. Remember what I told you. A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they have kept my word, they will also keep yours. But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know Him who sent me... Whoever hates me hates my Father also." John 15:18-21,23Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05575110651129425906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-78354771306488412592011-05-25T13:03:03.916-05:002011-05-25T13:03:03.916-05:00I am far more distressed about the personalized vi...I am far more distressed about the personalized vitriol coming from "believers" toward other believers (the way R. Stuart Dauermann was attacked and demonized, for example, for his post on religious extremism), the <a href="http://dailyminyan.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/hate-fest-and-ultra-orthodox-in-ashdod-israel/" rel="nofollow">vitriol being spewed toward not-yet-Yeshua-believing Jews, and the hatred toward the Orthodox Jews coming from some in the messianic, Hebrew Christian and Christian camps.</a><br /><br />If we are supposed to have the Spirit and others, "in the world" , are suppose to desire what we have and seek emulate our "godly walk", we are doing a very poor job of it. It's not "the world" or those who do not know Yeshua who are to be held to the higher standard of civility and love, but we are, that is those who count themselves among his disciples should conduct ourselves accordingly.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com