tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post112377241022698613..comments2023-08-16T07:20:09.921-05:00Comments on Kineti L'Tziyon קנאתי לציון: Who is Jewish, the trivia game!Judah Gabriel Himangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-89279949071500079752009-04-22T20:09:00.000-05:002009-04-22T20:09:00.000-05:00[ ] Adam
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...[ ] Adam<br />[ ] Noah<br />[ ] Abraham<br />[ ] Isaac<br />[ ] Jacob<br />[ ] Joseph (the coat-of-many-colors guy, not the bio dad of Jesus)<br />[ ] Benjamin<br />[x] Moses<br />[x] David<br />[x] Solomon<br />[x] Matthew<br />[x] Mark<br />[x] Luke<br />[x] John<br />[x] All the kings of Israel<br />[x] All the kings of Judah<br />[x] All 12 disciples of Jesus<br />[x] Jesus<br />[x] Paul<br />All I marked with [x]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1128288241111620082005-10-02T16:24:00.000-05:002005-10-02T16:24:00.000-05:00Abraham was not a Jew: a Jew is someone we define ...Abraham was not a Jew: a Jew is someone we define as descending from either Judah, Simeon, Levi, or Benjamin.<BR/><BR/>Abraham was a Hebrew, in fact, the first Hebrew. He was the first person mentioned in Scripture as being a Hebrew (<A HREF="http://biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=14&verse=13&version=31&context=verse" REL="nofollow">Genesis 14:13</A>), and his descendants were called Hebrews. Hebrew means "one who crosses over"; Abraham crossed over from Ur, crossed over from the pagan & secular world over to God, and God blessed him for it.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1128247078915129772005-10-02T04:57:00.000-05:002005-10-02T04:57:00.000-05:00Abraham was not a jew,Ok understandable but you me...Abraham was not a jew,Ok understandable but you mentioned he was hebrew?<BR/><BR/>could you elaborate it<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/>-adnanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124736363417441412005-08-22T13:46:00.000-05:002005-08-22T13:46:00.000-05:00So you're saying that I should feel guilty for mak...So you're saying that I should feel guilty for making homosexuals lives worse? How do I do that? By opposing them? You are opposing, how is that different? I don't hate gays. Once again I hate what they do (that is gay sex, it is an abomination to my God). That is what I hate ABOUT them. I'm surprised you can't grasp a simple concept like this. And if I walked a mile in your shoes I would try to change, not pity my dispicable sin.<BR/><BR/>You see, physical circumcision DOES matter (not to Christians, however). And what Christians don't understand is that Yeshua expanded upon the subject of circumcision and made it apply to the heart first, meaning Yeshua DID NOT REJECT CIRCUMCISION because being circumcision is a way to be holy and 'kosher' unto God. ['Old': physical circumcision does matter. RENEWED: physical cirumcision DOES MATTER, and is expanded on metaphorically to apply to ones heart.]<BR/><BR/>I should have made it more clear what I meant by saying I wouldn't tolerate blashemy in person. I did not mean I would kill you with my bare hands, I meant I would speak up against it. However, if you called yourself Jesus to my face, i would probably dismiss you as crazy and take it as a joke. <BR/>I meant that if it were God's will for me to kill someone for any reason (or none at all) I would do it. That DOES NOT mean that I'm going to strap a damned bomb on my body and blow up Muslims, because they are my enemies. <BR/><BR/>"would you kill a baby if your god asked you to? Would you perform an abortion if your god asked you to? (Hosea 13:16)"<BR/><BR/>Yes, because it would be an order from God. However, that DOES NOT mean that abortion would be okay from that point on like you are implying. in the Torah, accidental death was not punised by death, however accidental death of a baby in it's mother's womb WAS punished by death clearly showing us of what God thinks about the lives of babies and children.<BR/><BR/>Where is my reaoning flawed? this all makes pefect sense I don't know what the arguement is.Chassidishe Yidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529195696031830910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124483777545676342005-08-19T15:36:00.000-05:002005-08-19T15:36:00.000-05:00People are born with a tendancy towards evil. This...People are born with a tendancy towards evil. This supports the fact that most people in the world, are, in fact, evil people: haters of God, blasphemers, cursers, mockers, just as you have cursed, mocked, and displayed a general attitude of hatred for God and followers of God in your posts. The mocking, which I warned you not to do, has gotta stop Jimmy. 2 strikes, my friend. Let's keep it civil and mature, please.<BR/><BR/>Inspired by God: God inspired humans to record events, prophecies, histories of godly men. God didn't write it himself, but I believe the Scripture we have today was written by people inspired by God to write it. God meant for the Law to be written, for example.<BR/><BR/>Please re-read my post on rabbits and bats until you understand it. The answer is quite simple, and I posed it in an easily understandable way. My guess is you just don't want to hear your points refuted, so I'll leave it at that until you can come back with a valid rebuttle to my answers.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124479446282333882005-08-19T14:24:00.000-05:002005-08-19T14:24:00.000-05:00Hi Judah,No, I do not agree that Christianity is N...Hi Judah,<BR/><BR/>No, I do not agree that Christianity is NOT a "guilt-by-design" religion. It *is* a guilt-by-design religion, but Christian culture exacerbates it because guilt is a powerful motivator to win converts. The notion of "original sin", in Romans, is a guilt message. You were *born* evil, broken and flawed. Don't you feel guilty?<BR/><BR/>You are trying to have your cake and eat it to by claiming that the Bible was not written by god. Tell me, what does it mean that the Bible is "inspired" by god? I hereby claim that everything I write in your blog is inspired by god. Why is that any less meaningful than your claims that scripture is "inspired" by god?<BR/><BR/>The reason you choose "inspired" is because the Bible is clearly the work of humans, given its many imperfections. But if it's the work of humans, then any human could have written it! So you elevate it with "inspired". You can't have it both ways! It's either the work of a divine being, or it's the work of humans.<BR/><BR/>You addressed the bats and the rabbits, and what you wrote was irrelevant. The bible says the bat was a bird, which is false. The Bible says that rabbits chew the cud, which is false. Your statements did nothing to change these statements. Is there something you wrote which you specifically want me to answer?<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>JimmyJimmy Gatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476626903922536906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124478541328700202005-08-19T14:09:00.000-05:002005-08-19T14:09:00.000-05:00Aaron,Thanks for your reply!Your comparison to "ha...Aaron,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your reply!<BR/><BR/>Your comparison to "hating something your brother did verses hating him" is invalid. Homosexuality is not something I *do* any more than heterosexuality is something that you *do*. You're trying to cheapen it to mere sex acts which is false. And you are two-faced. You claim you don't hate homosexuals but you feel no guilt in making their lives worse (for what they "do"). Perhaps if you walked a mile in my shoes you'd feel differently. The lack of empathy is all so familiar from snotty Christians.<BR/><BR/>Your defense of circumcision is false and, in fact, stupid. Since you're playing word games with "circumcision", I'll make it more plain so that you can't wiggle out.<BR/><BR/>Old: Whether or not the foreskin of your penis is cut off is important. New: Whether or not the foreskin of your penis is cut off is NOT important. Your unchanging god changed the rules (as well as supported genital mutiliation).<BR/><BR/>What do you mean you would "never tolerate blasphemy in person"? If I told you that I was Jesus Christ in person, what would you do? Kill me? Jesus already told you, "do not resist and evil person", and, "let he without sin cast the first stone". Perhaps you don't care what Jesus says.<BR/><BR/>You already claimed that you would kill for your imaginary god (much like wicked Muslims do). But my question was, would you kill a baby if your god asked you to? Would you perform an abortion if your god asked you to? (Hosea 13:16)<BR/><BR/>You are showing your true colors. Some Christians are violent, hateful people.<BR/><BR/>Not so warm regards,<BR/>JimmyJimmy Gatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476626903922536906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124477990098613082005-08-19T13:59:00.000-05:002005-08-19T13:59:00.000-05:00Warren,Thank you for your reply!You asked, "If mor...Warren,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your reply!<BR/><BR/>You asked, "If morality is based on my personal value judgements, then why are you bothering to argue your system over mine?" The answer is that it deserves to be heard, and you deserve to hear it. Your morality is inferior to mine, and people have been told for too long that one has to believe in guilt, fear, and unnatural things in order to be moral. This falsehood deserves to be corrected, and readers of this blog deserve to hear it. Is your position so weak that it can't stand up to criticism? Certainly your all-powerful, all-knowing god has nothing to fear from a pathetic gay guy like me, correct?<BR/><BR/>I already know what your values are, and I think they suck. Your values treat you like an inherently evil person who has to beg for forgiveness from an imaginary god whenever you do something "wrong" (where "wrong" is based in your culture, not in scripture). Your values deserve to be thrown in the trash.<BR/><BR/>There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, nothing at all. I dare and defy your weak god to kill me if I'm wrong about that. Furthermore, you have no moral authority to criticize me because you worship a baby-killer. It's like a person who worships Pol Pot telling me that I'm immoral, only that your god is worse than Pol Pot.<BR/><BR/>Homosexuality is much more than a mere act. If I were to "leave" homosexuality, as you probably desire, then I would split up my family and my son's parents would be divided against each other. (You would probably like for such a thing to happen to my son!) I know you want to denigrate it to an act because you don't want to give it any legitimacy. The tide is turning, Christian! Gays have much more acceptance now than they ever have, and if they can ge good parents (which they can be), then you're pretty much screwed on the issue. There are millions of children being raised by gay parents now. The genie is out of the bottle, and your side is losing. Perhaps it is god's will that homosexuality is being accepted more and more by society.<BR/><BR/>Since you can't tell me what it takes to be or remain a Christian, you have no authority to tell me that I wasn't a "true" Christian. Furthermore, how do I know that *you* are a "true" Christian? You very well could be a disciple of Satan posing as a Christian. Many will try, but few will get in, correct?<BR/><BR/>And I suggest you stop praying. It's the biggest waste of time on the planet because your god is imaginary. Get off your knees and *do* something! Stop being so lazy!<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>JimmyJimmy Gatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476626903922536906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124328882060622942005-08-17T20:34:00.000-05:002005-08-17T20:34:00.000-05:00This will be my last post, unless I am personally ...This will be my last post, unless I am personally attacked again.<BR/><BR/>1. The fact that I hate homosexuality but don't hate homosexuals is not two-faced. Have you ever hated something your brother did, but still loved him?<BR/><BR/>2. Circumcision does matter. Yeshua only expanded on it taught his disciples to apply it to their hearts first.<BR/><BR/>3. YHVH never changes his opinions, BECAUSE THERE IS NO "TIME" IN HEAVEN. The idea of time does not exist in YHVH's realm, He is eternal, unchanging, always there. It is the people and times on earth that change, not YHVH, and to disrespect YHVH's nature is blashemy and a sin I would never tolerate in person.<BR/>Just like the Levites, I would kill for the zeal of YHVH.Chassidishe Yidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529195696031830910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124291489263677622005-08-17T10:11:00.000-05:002005-08-17T10:11:00.000-05:00Oh, forgot to answer your other question. Why care...Oh, forgot to answer your other question. Why care who is a Jew and who isn't? Helps you understand Scripture better; there are places in Scripture where God is speaking to Israel, then the next minute, He'll be speaking to Judah. What's the difference, aren't they both Jewish?<BR/><BR/>Also, from a secular standpoint, it's interesting knowledge. What does it mean to be a Jew in the modern day? Where does the name come from, and so on.<BR/><BR/>Glad we're finally getting back on topic, but I suspect it won't last long with all these I'm-right-and-you're-wrong emotions running so high! :-)Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124290913028643722005-08-17T10:01:00.000-05:002005-08-17T10:01:00.000-05:00False accusations galore! This should really be in...False accusations galore! This should really be in the homosexuality thread.<BR/><BR/>Let's see here, you twisted my words once again! Some people have made or at least tried to make Christianity a guilt-based one. It isn't one by nature, as you imply, do you disagree? <BR/><BR/>Did I say the Bible was written by God? I suspect you twisted my words or misinterpreted me once more, but if I did say that, I apologize; I believe Scripture is inspired by God, not written by the hand of God himself. Perhaps this is what you meant?<BR/><BR/>I've already addressed the bats and the rabbits, which you failed to refute my arguments. Instead, you only say, "oh look, they're not birds!" and "they don't chew cud!", both are closer to a 4 year old covering his ears and screaming loudly, than they are to valid rebuttles. Read my post again and answer me! (hey, I like this 'demanding an answer' thing that you've seemed to master!)Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124289923981658522005-08-17T09:45:00.000-05:002005-08-17T09:45:00.000-05:00I already addressed O.T. sacrifice. Do you know Go...I already addressed O.T. sacrifice. Do you know God still requires sacrifice for sin? He does! The spotless Lamb has been slain for the world. That was one of the major reasons why Christ came.<BR/><BR/>The terms of the old covenant: God gave the Law to Israel, and Israel accepted the covenant of the Law, saying to Moses, "all that the Lord has said, we will do".<BR/><BR/>The covenant has changed because the people have broken the old covenant. This isn't anything new and out of the blue; in fact, this was prophesied to happen by several of the prophets, "The days are coming, says the Lord, when I'll make a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah: anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."<BR/><BR/>I also addressed God-commanded killings.<BR/><BR/>I also addressed rabbits chewing the cud, the bats, and so on.<BR/><BR/>You're over there, ignoring my answers while demanding me or Aaron to answer your questions! Perhaps you just missed the posts? I hope so, otherwise it'd be hypocritical of you to whine about people ignoring you! :-)<BR/><BR/>Also, let's keep the mocking down, I won't tolerate that on this blog. Your mocking prayer at the end of your last post really disappointed me, as you've kept the conversation civil thus far. Refrain from mocking and any other childish behaviors, we're all adults here (except for Aaron! :-))Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124289617619644872005-08-17T09:40:00.000-05:002005-08-17T09:40:00.000-05:00Dear Judah,If Jews aren't better or worse in any w...Dear Judah,<BR/><BR/>If Jews aren't better or worse in any way, shape, or form than non-Jews, then why do we care who is a Jew and who isn't?<BR/><BR/>Thank you for admitting that Christianity is a guilt-based religion. I think that's an inferior way to live life. The movie "The Passion of the Christ" was all guilt, guilt, guilt, guilt, guilt.<BR/><BR/>I fully understand your predicament. You can't cope with a world in which everyone chooses their own values. You want YOUR values to be EVERYONE'S values. You think that your values somehow lose meaning or significance if not everyone shares them. I've got news for you: Even among Christians there are different values. Everyone chooses their own values. I'm not saying that they're all equal. In fact, I think some values suck! For example, you value the supernatural and that's unrealistic and false. You also value holding gay people as inferior and that's elitist and immoral. Drawing a line in the sand with scripture is only valid if scripture itself is valid, and that is precisely the point in dispute.<BR/><BR/>My space is limited here, Judah. Of course I could have mentioned the the camel's hoof dividing, or the four-legged insects, for that matter. Just because you're aware of the Bible's problems doesn't mean you have a way to solve them. And, clearly, you don't.<BR/><BR/>The bat is not a bird and cannot be called a bird under any kind of definition. If you define birds as "animals that lay eggs", then you would have to include reptiles as "birds". If you define birds as "animals that fly", then you would have to include millions of insects.<BR/><BR/>As for the rabbit chewing the cud, they don't! They are laprothorpes, which means that they eat their "pre-poo" to extract more nutrition (an evolutionary advantage). This is NOT the same as "chewing the cud", which all ruminants do. Having wiggly mouth movements is NOT "chewing the cud". Eating their pre-poo is NOT "chewing the cud". You are trying to turn attention away from the falsehood by describing the eating system of rabbits, of which I was already well-aware.<BR/><BR/>Most importantly, you allege that the Bible was written by god, NOT by humans. If that is true, then how can god's word be superceded by human knowledge? How can god, who is allegedly perfect and all-knowing, allow something false by any limited, inferior, human standard to be written? If the Bible was written by humans, then anyone could have written it. And if the Bible has at least one error, then it might have another. What else in the Bible is false, inaccurate, or unscientific?<BR/><BR/>And, by the way, the reason why you "waste time" with this is because you can't cope with someone pointing out a falsehood in scripture. Will you agree that it is false to say that the bat is a bird? Will you also agree that it is false that rabbits chew the cud? My guess is that you will agree, but with heavy rationalization in order to paint scripture in a positive light.Jimmy Gatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476626903922536906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124288626789534982005-08-17T09:23:00.000-05:002005-08-17T09:23:00.000-05:00Dear Aaron,Thanks for your reply. It's too bad yo...Dear Aaron,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your reply. It's too bad you're not very experienced in this type of discussion.<BR/><BR/>Old: god requires animal sacrifice (revolting!) to atone for sin. New: god does NOT require animal sacrifice to atone for sin. Your "unchanging" god changed something, probably his mind.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad that you admit that SATURDAY is the Sabbath. Would you also agree that all Christians who treat Sunday as the Sabbath are willfully and disobediently breaking one of the ten commandments and are living in sin?<BR/><BR/>Old: circumcision matters to god. New: circumcision does NOT matter to god. Your "unchanging" god changed something, probably his mind.<BR/><BR/>You made NO attempt to counter my claim that your claim that you "don't hate gay people" is two-faced. Should I assume that you agree with me?<BR/><BR/>You made NO attempt to counter my claim that if you eat ham or shrimp then you might as well be gay. Should I assume that you agree with me?<BR/><BR/>You made NO attempt to answer my questions about the bat being a bird or rabbits chewing the cud after you insisted that scripture was "ALL truth". Is it true that the bat is a bird? Is it true that rabbits chew the cud? Or should I assume that you are backing off your claim that scripture is "ALL truth"?<BR/><BR/>You also made NO effort to counter my claim that there is nothing wrong at all with my NOT being a Christian. Should I assume that you agree?<BR/><BR/>Regarding your god's choice to wholesale slaughter children and infants, I'm not surprised that you aren't aware. Christians are very frequently ignorant of what their scripture states.<BR/><BR/>"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword;<BR/>their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open." Hosea 13:16<BR/><BR/>"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." 1 Sam 15:3<BR/><BR/>If your god asked you to kill a baby in cold blood, would you do it? You can't say, "god would never ask such a thing!" because he most certainly did. There is NO justification for killing a baby, EVER. And I think abortion is disgusting, too. Your god is practically an abortionist in Hosea 13:16 -- I say "practically" because the mothers *also* did not survive the procedure.<BR/><BR/>If I say anything that is untrue, then I ask that your god stop me from saying or writing it, and I ask it in Jesus Christ's name.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>JimmyJimmy Gatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476626903922536906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124238642038603332005-08-16T19:30:00.000-05:002005-08-16T19:30:00.000-05:00There are plenty of places in Scripture where peop...There are plenty of places in Scripture where people are killed for a cause. It isn't politically correct to say, but sometimes killing is necessary: it would've been nice and all if Nazi Germany just magically transformed into an Amish pacifist farming community, but it didn't, and people had to be killed for a greater cause.<BR/><BR/>Or how about Sodom & Gomorrah, God killed people because of the extreme sin going on there. Or driving people out of Canaan (which also was utterly sinful, BTW), and so on. Picking out instances of where people are killed, while ignoring the purpose is nothing more than trying to paint God as a mean, angry God.<BR/><BR/>So, as much as Jimmy would like us to go off onto a wild tangent on how evil God & his followers are, let's try to keep it on topic.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124236511106463572005-08-16T18:55:00.000-05:002005-08-16T18:55:00.000-05:00jimmy said: "Yes, I accept immoral actions. No, I ...jimmy said: "Yes, I accept immoral actions. No, I do not accept "sin". "Sin" means "disobeying your god". The Israelites obeyed your god when they slaugtered babies and children, so they weren't "sinning", but they committed a grossly immoral act."<BR/><BR/>That's very interesting. I'm not sure to what event you are referring to, I assume it was when Israel was sent into the land of Caanan and ordered to kill all the inhabitants.<BR/><BR/>I does seem very brutal for them to kill babies, but I suppose if God told them to kill ALL the inhabitants of the land, then that's what they should have done. <BR/>It seems much the same as when God told Abraham to kill Isaac. We should all act like Abraham and obey God.Chassidishe Yidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529195696031830910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124231814793991772005-08-16T17:36:00.000-05:002005-08-16T17:36:00.000-05:00Jimmmy, Jews aren't an elite physical class of hum...Jimmmy, Jews aren't an elite physical class of humans. End of sentence. :-)<BR/><BR/>I didn't deny Christianity is a guilt-based one simply because I'm at work and don't have time to respond to all your arguments! :-) Sure, I'll confess, I think some people have turned Christianity into a guilt-based religion. Jesus wasn't all doom and gloom, far as I can tell, though. I mean, look at the the woman who committed adultery: did he say, "ooh, you sick little witch, you're gonna die!!!"? Hahah, you'll agree that's not what he said. Instead he told the woman to go on her way, and sin no more.<BR/><BR/>You posed an interesting view on personal morality. For one person (such as a Samurai) killing is honorable. For others, that same act is not honorable.<BR/><BR/>That's what I don't like too much about secular morality. There's no standard, no absolutes. Everything's relative. You, as a former believer, can hopefully understand my predicament: if God exists, and not everything under the sun is OK according to God, then there has to be a line drawn in the sand somewhere. That line, for me, is Scripture.<BR/><BR/>You mentioned some things to my younger brother Aaron about some apparent falsehoods in Leviticus. Those are both common arguments that've been thrown around from time to time (I'm surprised you didn't mention the camel hoof dividing!).<BR/><BR/>Birds, according to our modern scientific classification, do not include bats, you're right! Unfortunately for the nay-sayers, this same scientific classification did not exist in Israel, especially at the time it was written. We, in our modern scientific thought, classify them as flying mammals, no such classification existed at the time Leviticus was written. What would you have the author of Leviticus call them, mammals? Imagine the confusion of the readers when no such classification (or word in the Hebrew language) existed! That would be utterly funny. To call them birds was a perfectly fine classification; for all we know, 2000 BCE men called anything that flew, "birds". You'll probably agree that's quite a reasonable assumption.<BR/><BR/>Rabbits chewing cud is another thing, I don't know why I waste time at work answering this stuff! To quote one source, the Hebrew phrase for "chew the cud" simply means "raising up what has been swallowed". Coneys and rabbits go through such similar motions to ruminants that Linnaeus, the father of modern classification, at first classified them as ruminants. Also, rabbits and hares practise refection, which is essentially the same principle as rumination, and does indeed "raise up what has been swallowed". The food goes right through the rabbit and is passed out as a special type of dropping. These are re-eaten, and can now nourish the rabbit as they have already been partly digested.<BR/><BR/>God bless.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124228211430797552005-08-16T16:36:00.000-05:002005-08-16T16:36:00.000-05:00You say God changed his opinion about animal sacri...You say God changed his opinion about animal sacrifice, the sabbath, and circumcision, huh?<BR/><BR/>There is no animal sacrifice since Yeshua (Jesus) came. THAT WAS WHY HE CAME. That doesn't mean God changed his mind about it.<BR/><BR/>The reason the Christian Sabbath is Sunday is because Constantine changed it in honor of the Sun god. That doesn't mean God changed his opinion about the Sabbath - the TRUE Sabbath is on Saturday, the LAST day of the week, any biblical scholar will confirm that.<BR/><BR/>God din't change his opinion about circumcision. Circumcision is a way to become clean and holy unto YAH. (When you're not holy, you are unclean and in sin, not that you aren't saved). We have faith by folowing the Law of God, thus putting ourselves under his Covenant and in His hand.<BR/><BR/>For you to say that God changes his opinions is a lie. I thought everyone knows that God is infallible and he is never wrong, so if he changed his opinion he must have been wrong previously. <BR/><BR/>It is all simple logic, I don't know how you think I'm 'nonsensical'.Chassidishe Yidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529195696031830910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124226949216384052005-08-16T16:15:00.000-05:002005-08-16T16:15:00.000-05:00Dear Aaron,Your defense of your viewpoint of homos...Dear Aaron,<BR/><BR/>Your defense of your viewpoint of homosexuality is an example of how duplicitous Christians talk out of both sides of their mouths. What if I represented the majority in society, and I claimed to you, "We don't hate Christians. We just hate Christianity." And then I went along with all sorts of measures to make Christians' lives more difficult, such as harrassing their children. You would probably regard my assurance of "I don't hate you" as two-faced as I regard yours toward me.<BR/><BR/>And since you were foolish enough to bring up Leviticus, I should remind you that if you eat shrimp or ham then you're just as vile and evil as a coke-sniffing, circuit-party homosexeual.<BR/><BR/>Oh, do those verses forbidding shellfish and pork not matter? If so, then why don't the gay-bashing verses not matter too? Surely you don't hate gay people, do you?<BR/><BR/>You must be young and inexperienced, as you think that making blunt statements about your love of scripture leads you to say things that are truly nonsensical. You claim that God's opinion never changed. What about his opinion on animal sacrifice? What about his opinion on which day is the Sabbath? What about his opinion about circumcision?<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, you ridiculously claim that the Bible is "ALL truth". The Bible says that the bat is a bird (Lev 11:13-19). Is that true? The Bible says that the rabbit chews the cud (Lev 11:6). Is that true?<BR/><BR/>No, I'm afraid that I cannot be a Christian, and that's totally okay. There's nothing wrong with that at all.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>JimmyJimmy Gatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476626903922536906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124226253093935922005-08-16T16:04:00.000-05:002005-08-16T16:04:00.000-05:00Dear Judah,Thanks for your reply!I did, in fact, t...Dear Judah,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your reply!<BR/><BR/>I did, in fact, twist your words. Going back and re-reading, I see that you stated that it "wasn't a priority" and did NOT claim, as I *wanted* to read, that it was "unimportant". Forgive me, I do take this seriously and I also take few prisoners. :) That said, regarding some people as "Jews" and therefore "special" is elitist and therefore immoral.<BR/><BR/>Naturally you're going to assume lots of things about me and my beliefs. You probably have not debated with many Eudaimonist gay Ex-Christians. It's likely that I will have beliefs that counter your preconceived notions. I, on the other hand, have debated with many, many, many Christians. I have a very good working knowledge about what it's like to be a protestant Christian from having been one. You've never been in my shoes, so it's going to be hard for you to sympathize with what it feels like being on the receiving end of Christian hate.<BR/><BR/>Of course there are ways to morality outside of your notion about god. Morality is acting in line with one's values, and every person chooses what their values are. To a 17th-century Samurai, chopping a peasant child in half is not immoral *according to his values*. It is grossly immoral *according to my values*. All of what both of us say about morality and immorality comes down to a value judgement.<BR/><BR/>In answer to your question, if god exists, then I don't see that not all things would be immoral to him, particularly if he created everything and is omniscient and omnipresent. Why would such a god create something repellant to him? And, no, I do not value anything supernatural, be it gods, angels, devils, demons, leprechauns, invisible pink unicorns, etc.<BR/><BR/>You claim that you have committed immoral actions just as bad as anyone, but I sincerely doubt that you've raped, killed, and eaten people. It may be different from how you regard me, but I think you're probably a pretty good person, unlike the Josef Stalins and Pol Pots of the world! Christians like to pretend that "sin is sin" but will admit under pressure that murder is much, much worse than telling a fib. Tell me, if you found out that your god was imaginary, would you start killing everyone you saw? Is your belief in god the one and only thing that prevents you from raping children?<BR/><BR/>I, on the other hand, do not find it hard to be moral. I do not deprive others of life, liberty, and property. I do not initiate force. I live according to my values. I don't find it hard to not run over children for fun when I'm driving.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I accept immoral actions. No, I do not accept "sin". "Sin" means "disobeying your god". The Israelites obeyed your god when they slaugtered babies and children, so they weren't "sinning", but they committed a grossly immoral act.<BR/><BR/>I notice you didn't deny that your religion was a guilt-based religion.<BR/><BR/>The choice is not between "god and the world", as you like to claim. The choice is which values you want to keep. I value life, happiness, liberty, property rights, children, kindness, self-defense, and reason. I believe that you value (among other things) the supernatural, the Bible as "Truth", guilt, fear, and the suspension of reason where it's expedient to do so.<BR/><BR/>I also notice that you've made no effort to deny that your god is a murderous baby-killer, and you've chosen this god as your standard for morality. I think if you line up the Biblical god with all other human-created gods in history, your god would fall in the "evil god" category. Wouldn't you agree that other gods are at least less prone to baby-murder than your god is?<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>JimmyJimmy Gatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476626903922536906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124223963744913572005-08-16T15:26:00.000-05:002005-08-16T15:26:00.000-05:00Aaron, you tell it like it is, brother, no extra b...Aaron, you tell it like it is, brother, no extra butter on your arguments. :-) It's refreshing.<BR/><BR/>Jimmy, I guess our crux difference lies in our view on Scripture. I believe it to be God-inspired and a definition of a good way to live. While you haven't come out and said it plainly, it seems you disagree. With that bit, we can argue until we're blue in the face and it wouldn't benefit anyone, because we have an underlying difference that is the root of all other differences we may have.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124223397656119332005-08-16T15:16:00.000-05:002005-08-16T15:16:00.000-05:00All Judah did was pont out that YHVH, God, hates h...All Judah did was pont out that YHVH, God, hates homosexuality, NOT the people who do it. God loves everyone. If someone doesn't agree with that, or thinks that it is okay to be gay, simply read the Bible, especially Leviticus 18:22 ("a man shall not sleep with a man as he would sleep with a woman")<BR/><BR/>If you disagree with God's never changing opinion, you cannot be a Christian, because Christ was God and God Christ. Yeshua (Jesus) came to FULFILL his Father's Law, not to destroy it, and Yeshua himslef is the Living Torah. The entire Bible is one story, one covenant, and it is ALL truth. It is as simple as that, nothing to be confused with.Chassidishe Yidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529195696031830910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124222916932075202005-08-16T15:08:00.000-05:002005-08-16T15:08:00.000-05:00Ah, but you twist my words, Jimmy! :-) Or maybe yo...Ah, but you twist my words, Jimmy! :-) Or maybe you just didn't understand me, as it's always difficult to understand people over the internet.<BR/><BR/>I said geneology isn't a priority with God. Your personal relationshiop with God, I think, is far more important. At least that's how I see it in Scripture.<BR/><BR/>Paul mentions in Romans how the Jews have advantages in some cases: it was to Israel God revealed himself, see <A HREF="http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%203;&version=65;" REL="nofollow">Romans 3</A>. But by no means is one better than another simply by geneology.<BR/><BR/>I wasn't trying to put you in the shoes of others like you, I was only curious to know how your views fit in with theirs, given what appears to be a conflict in views.<BR/><BR/>I would agree that the issues you metioned are of more importance than the question of who is a Jew. The only problem is, that has nothing to do with this post, my friend! My post was one of a fun little bit of knowledge, not of "you must know this to be a good little Christian!" Hahah...<BR/><BR/>I don't have a great truth for all humanity. God does. I don't know all the truths, just as I was saying in reply to your other comment in the homosexuality in Christianity thread. I am convinced that God exists, and that Jesus is, in fact, the messiah spoken of in the Tenakh. <BR/><BR/>Some, perhaps yourself, think there are ways to morality outside of God. The problem for that view is, the world's view of morality is always changing. Most of the time, it's "hey, do whatever feels good!" Certainly, if you agree that God exists, you would also agree that not everything under the sun is moral to God?<BR/><BR/>There's your problem, it's just presented itself: if God exists, then certainly not all things are moral to him. Even you implicitly confirm this when you bring up slaughter of women, children, etc. by bringing up these things, you imply they are evil/immoral. That's what I call sin. What you call evil or immoral, I call sin.<BR/><BR/>So in fact there is sin; if you don't like to call it sin, then call it immoral activity. <BR/><BR/>I have committed immoral activities as much as anyone else here, don't let the all the talk about God fool you. I don't hate myself for it, and there is no need to hate one's self for immoral activities. From what I extract from Scripture, is that God forgives immoral activity. Before Christ, God wanted people to show their sins by giving up something important: a spotless animal or a grain offering. With Christ, the sacrifice Lamb has been slain, brother. That's why Christ came, to give a way that doesn't lead to death, to make forgiveness of immoral activities accessible to all, Jew and gentile alike.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you can steal lukewarm Christians; it's easy to take the big, wide road and follow the world, lukeware Christians probably don't even need your help! It's hard to follow God and not do immoral activity. That a personal choice you've gotta make on your own, and I hope anyone reading this has made thier choice for God, not the world.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124219237965011352005-08-16T14:07:00.000-05:002005-08-16T14:07:00.000-05:00Dear Judah,Thanks for your reply!I imagine my view...Dear Judah,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your reply!<BR/><BR/>I imagine my view of ignoring essence over actions would probably sit really poorly with many homosexual activists. After all, they've cultivated a thought that they are somehow superior because they are "gay" and I think that stinks. For that matter, I think most homosexual activists stink. They don't represent me, they've done more harm than good to me and my family, and I wish they'd shut up.<BR/><BR/>I notice you're trying to change the subject and impugn me with others' actions. Par for the course, really.<BR/><BR/>I read your claim that Jews are no better than gentiles. If that is true, then why care about bloodlines or geneologies? If they are all meaningless and useless, then why remember them at all? Your actions speak louder than your words, and the Jews weren't called "god's chosen people" for nothing. Did your unchanging god reneg on that elite status for particular indivudals? <BR/><BR/>My knowldege about who was Israelite/Hebrew/Jewish is very thin, indeed, as it is completely irrelevant. I much prefer to focus on scriptural issues such as, "How must I be saved?" and "Are children punished for their fathers' sins?" and "Does the Biblical god promote the wholesale slaughter of children, infants, and pregnant women?" I think those questions are much more relevant to the veracity and usefulness of your religious beliefs than wondering about who was a "true Jew" and who wasn't, don't you think? And, believe my, my scriptural knowledge on those issues is top-knotch.<BR/><BR/>I'm not looking for a fight as much as I'm looking to show that there is a great deal of criticism which your religion very much deserves but goes largely unheard. Since you claim to have ultimate truth for all humanity (quite an arrogant and audacious claim for you to make!), AND you feel it is your mandate to impose it upon every person you can (by the great commission), it deserves to be examined, criticized, and scrutinized to the utmost degree.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, since your religion is a guilt-based, misanthropic religion, individuals deserve to hear that there are ways to be moral which do not require self-hating (remember how you described yourself as a horrible sinner?) and guilt. Your religion is not ultimate truth, but is rather merely competing with other value systems in our society. Let's have our philosophies compete in the open market of ideas and see which one comes out on top. I believe that people will reject the guilt-based philosophies in favor of positive philosophies when they are able to measure all the facts. In other words, I'd like to steal lukewarm Christians from your camp.<BR/><BR/>And, no, they won't go to hell.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>JimmyJimmy Gatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04476626903922536906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-1124214469543808882005-08-16T12:47:00.000-05:002005-08-16T12:47:00.000-05:00I would be interested to see how your view of "don...I would be interested to see how your view of <I>"don't define your essense apart from other humans"</I> fits in with other homosexuals, especially the politically active ones that often appear on television, telling me how I should celebrate my differences. Heh.<BR/><BR/>It's certainly not immoral or unethical to talk about geneologies or where one's heritage comes from. I'm not saying Jews are better than gentiles in the least, I hope that's not what you were implying in your post. I personally believe our bloodline isn't a priority to God, I think our personal faith in God is what's more important.<BR/><BR/>This little quiz was posed as a fun little exercise; I think both religious and secular people have misunderstandings about Judaism and what it means to be a Jew. Especially in Christianity I find a lot of fuzziness amoung believers in Christ about the differences between Israelites, Hebrews, and Jewish people. It would be interesting, given your knowledge of Scripture, to see your answers of this little quiz.<BR/><BR/>It's nothing more, my friend, than a fun little exercise of knowledge. I think you're looking for a fight though, at least that's what it appears to me. If that's what you're here for, you won't find it. I'd love debating things and discussing, civily, religion in general with you, but I won't be foolish enough to get into an internet fight with you. I hope you will agree.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.com