tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post7760825005070984508..comments2023-08-16T07:20:09.921-05:00Comments on Kineti L'Tziyon קנאתי לציון: Education does not determine theological correctnessJudah Gabriel Himangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-71716799221407769152012-01-25T10:53:13.376-06:002012-01-25T10:53:13.376-06:00Derek,
How could Judah be referring to you? You ...Derek,<br /><br />How could Judah be referring to you? You are not at all an intellectual.....LOL!Dan Benzvihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411063743206730041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-44564364148860521872012-01-25T10:07:30.823-06:002012-01-25T10:07:30.823-06:00Well, at least we agree that people can be evil re...Well, at least we agree that people can be evil regardless of level of theological education. :-)<br /><br />I think one of the biggest problems for those with higher theological education is that they're prone to look down on and dismiss anyone not up to their level. Do you think you've done that a few times, Derek?Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-17502343621310276352012-01-25T09:41:31.269-06:002012-01-25T09:41:31.269-06:00I read this closer to the time you wrote it. It wa...I read this closer to the time you wrote it. It was clear to me that I was one of the people you were talking about. A person can be godly or ungodly regardless of the level of education. This article implies that education is a liability for godliness.<br /><br />The following wikipedia article is instructive. It explains why "evangelical" religion (and this article has a strong affinity with evangelical attitudes toward education and faith) has become a disappointment to a generation of better-informed people:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualismDerek Lemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03693937472641309402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-86790776928507497802012-01-23T11:31:07.388-06:002012-01-23T11:31:07.388-06:00Good Post and good comments. I think it's what...Good Post and good comments. I think it's what is in our heart and how that is walked out. As Gene says, "matters of the heart"; Does it agree with His Written Word or does it not?<br /><br />C.F.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-53500952204436931412012-01-20T13:49:06.521-06:002012-01-20T13:49:06.521-06:00"I think Messianic Judaism is making the same..."I think Messianic Judaism is making the same mistake: denouncing simple servants of God – Hebrew Roots folks – as blind fanatics, attackers of institutional religion, fomenters of disturbances, lacking of higher education, perceived or real."<br /><br />OK. Now, G-d's view:<br /><br />"my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your G-d, I also will ignore your children." (Hosea 4:6)<br /><br />I say ignorance and nonsensicalism (to coin a term) are rampant in many corners of the "Hebrew Movement" (which is a VERY loose term to describe groups with even a passing interest in Old Testament). It thrives on it because it thrives in isolation many of these groups foster. I am not saying that there are not any bright stars among them, it's just that I have come across only a few.<br /><br />Now, matters of the heart - we should leave that judgement to G-d, because only he knows the heart.Gene Shlomovichhttp://dailyminyan.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-86593766096388816852012-01-20T09:24:50.883-06:002012-01-20T09:24:50.883-06:00part 2 of 2
I do agree with one of your points co...part 2 of 2<br /><br />I do agree with one of your points completely. An education does not automatically lead to a holy life. There are many "uneducated" people who are very close to God. As you say, the Bible is full of fishermen, carpenters, and simple shepherds, who were closer to their Creator than many of the Pastors, Rabbis, Popes, and religious professors, who have famous names and who are called "great" in their various venues.<br /><br />I would rather sit at the feet of one "regular guy" who is always close to God than 10,000 exalted scholars who carry God in their heads but not in their hearts. That said, I don't think learning more about how to study the Bible is such a bad thing either. I don't like intellectual bullies, but that doesn't mean I want to live in ignorance, either. An education helps the faithful tell the difference between an authentic teacher and a fraud or a cult leader, and significant portions of the "Messianic" and Hebrew Roots movements are full of the later.Jameshttp://mymorningmeditations.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-16735461761228568462012-01-20T09:23:59.189-06:002012-01-20T09:23:59.189-06:00I can see you walking that fine line between "...I can see you walking that fine line between "education" and "faithful living" as if they're mutually exclusive concepts and I think you're doing fairly well in your presentation. I can even agree with you to an extent. After all, many scholars argue with each other and disagree with how the other guy has done his research, even within the world of accepted Christian and Jewish scholarship. An education doesn't mean the person writing a research paper or a blog is always *right*. However, as you point out, better the well-educated person who knows how to do authentic research than the crackpot guru who pushes junk scholarship on the web and calls it "a revelation from God."<br /><br />I'm not quite sure I can agree that a completely uneducated person should teach, beyond a certain point at least. After all, plenty of well-meaning but relatively clueless people teach home fellowships and small Bible-studies (or God forbid, huge congregations) who have no idea how to approach serious Biblical research and who has never read the findings and interpretations of accepted Christian and Jewish scholars. They may be relying 100% on the spirit of God to do the interpreting for them, or indeed, they may be relying 100% (without realizing it) on their own emotional states and what seems to "feel right" to them. It is possible to be sincere as a teacher and still be totally off the trail, so to speak.<br /><br />One of the reasons I started to feel guilty about my former role as a teacher in my previous congregation is that I have no formal education in religious studies. Oh sure, I can read the commentaries and make connections between this theme and that, but there is just so much I do not know. What if I was leading the people listening to me into error without realizing it? I'd be guilty of creating harm when I wanted to create good. That's only one reason why I gave up my former position and stopped worshiping among my former companions, but not the only one.<br /><br />True, I blog, but my opinions are my own and I don't represent myself as a teacher, a scholar, an expert, or a guide of any kind. I'm just a guy with an opinion, like a billion other people in the blogosphere. I don't pretend to know it all and often, it feel as if I know absolutely nothing. While I make copious use of quotes from various sources, the basis for my blogging is "theme-related" content. I read, see connections between one piece of writing and another, see a sort of "picture" in my head, and then the blogging more or less takes care of itself. Some people say they see value in my content and I suppose if others don't they just don't visit my blogspot. Much of the reason I blog is to "think outloud" in a way, processing my own studies, learning, and faith experience for myself.<br /><br />I've often thought of going back to school, even online, and taking some classes, but with my job, plus the various books I write and having a family, I just don't have the time to devote to a class plus homework. While I don't think additional education would make me more "holy" or even "right", I do think it would help me understand better what I'm trying to talk about. Judah, if you wanted to teach programming (and for all I know, you already do that) and you saw an educational deficit in your knowledge for that role, wouldn't you try to improve yourself by taking a class or reading a book? (part 1 of 2)Jameshttp://mymorningmeditations.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-13664677563558684672012-01-20T00:37:02.706-06:002012-01-20T00:37:02.706-06:00Thank you, Judah. ♥ this.Thank you, Judah. ♥ this.Lydia Marabella Blustinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-65557059164006844732012-01-20T00:36:32.071-06:002012-01-20T00:36:32.071-06:00Amen to that!Amen to that!Debbie Dickson-Stoehrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-13878874663101738412012-01-19T23:59:41.109-06:002012-01-19T23:59:41.109-06:00Judah, you are a breath of fresh air. : )
-Peter...Judah, you are a breath of fresh air. : )<br /><br />-PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-62680715407450157392012-01-19T23:51:29.588-06:002012-01-19T23:51:29.588-06:00HalleluYah, amein!HalleluYah, amein!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com