tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post2152020493399436815..comments2023-08-16T07:20:09.921-05:00Comments on Kineti L'Tziyon קנאתי לציון: How can God prove Himself to humanity?Judah Gabriel Himangohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-16349716252341375962007-08-09T12:17:00.000-05:002007-08-09T12:17:00.000-05:00Thanks for stopping by and posting, Hogan. I gener...Thanks for stopping by and posting, Hogan. <BR/><BR/>I generally agree, I also fit into the "looking for God, not religion" category.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-50086557148184401112007-08-09T11:42:00.000-05:002007-08-09T11:42:00.000-05:00Who cares if every person in the world is a true b...Who cares if every person in the world is a true believer. When people are ready, they will embrace what they need. If people are not ready, you will be wasting your time. Instead, focus on the people want help. <BR/><BR/>All that being said, I believe that there are a large amount of people that want God, but not religion. I belong in that category. There is no perfect religion as history has shown us. Focus on God and how you think God would want you to live. That doesn't mean that what you think is correct, but it is probably a good thing.<BR/><BR/>HoganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-83492996854686780402007-07-17T23:10:00.000-05:002007-07-17T23:10:00.000-05:00hi all. I think that, well God already showed him...hi all. I think that, well God already showed himself to mankind, and gave "hints" for recognizing him past the years: the prophecies that became truth on Jesus during his whole life give testimony on that. About the golden calf: that is not what the bible pictures, it says that the people got desperate about Moses not coming back with God's instructions, and they build the calf and "invented" a worship ceremony that wasnt part of Gods guidelines. I found a (quite long) article that talks about this type of mis-worship: <A HREF="http://www.midwestoutreach.org/journals/holds_pastors.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-87987977773047016702007-07-09T09:38:00.000-05:002007-07-09T09:38:00.000-05:00When God comes again all will recognize him as God...When God comes again all will recognize him as God and bow (as it is written in the Bible), but at that point there will be no free will. The question isn't can God make the whole word believe in him, of course he can, he is God after all. The question is can it be done while simultaneously maintaining free will. The answer to that is obviously no. If God causes everyone to believe, then there is no free will. So long as God allows free will, there will be those who doubt.<BR/><BR/>Pat OPatrick O'Harahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05171202402933103779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-843800144560040082007-07-09T09:21:00.000-05:002007-07-09T09:21:00.000-05:00Excellent Gary. Looking forward to seeing those pi...Excellent Gary. Looking forward to seeing those pics of the wedding.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-31015248825245278082007-07-08T17:31:00.000-05:002007-07-08T17:31:00.000-05:00Judah,As others have said, I don't think that the ...Judah,<BR/><BR/>As others have said, I don't think that the world would receive Him. I can't think of a thing He could do to make those who have chosen rebellion, whose hearts have become as stone, to receive Him willingly. It reminds me of the first chapter of John:<BR/><BR/><I>He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.</I><BR/><BR/>God has been unable to win the hearts of the multitude even by the gift of His Son. People have ignored God’s love and they will shake their fists when He pours out the bowls of His wrath. Then their rebellion will be complete.<BR/><BR/>As you and others have mentioned, every knee will bow and every tongue confess Jesus as Lord. I don't know what will bring that about; whether it will be by compulsion or by deep realization, but it will be glorious to see.<BR/><BR/>I know I probably owe you and Rocky some responses, but I am recovering from my daughters wedding yesterday. I probably will be posting some pics and maybe even a movie clip soon.<BR/><BR/>In Christ,<BR/>GaryGary Kirkhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12870342469118915243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-90561233832260061372007-07-08T13:44:00.000-05:002007-07-08T13:44:00.000-05:00Rocky, thanks for stopping by and commenting.Good ...Rocky, thanks for stopping by and commenting.<BR/><BR/>Good point on the New Testament story with the rich man in torment after death, where people wouldn't believe any words of warning. So, it seems like it's impossible without some serious supernatural intervention.<BR/><BR/>I am looking forward to seeing how every knee will bow. How will God pull that off? :-) Will be interesting to see, for sure.<BR/><BR/>Bryan, interesting take on this. Did you know that Jewish tradition has it that the golden calf wasn't a "new" god of any kind, but rather, it was meant as the calf for the "unseen God", I Am, the Lord. In Egypt, it was customary to make idols riding atop bulls or other livestock. Israel made this golden calf with an invisible rider as a tribute to the Lord.<BR/><BR/>Isn't it interesting that despite this well-intentioned act, this didn't sit right with God? Even if the golden calf invention was well-intentioned, it was wrong. Makes me wonder about other things we may be doing wrong -- statues of Mary and Jesus in Catholic Churches, statues and trinkets of angels and cherubim, to name a few. It makes me wonder what God thinks of that stuff.<BR/><BR/><I>Why should He prove himself to us in a manner satisfying our reasoning? Seems backwards.</I><BR/><BR/>Good question. It seems, though, that God will reveal Himself to all humanity at some point. Revelation reveals this, as does prophetic words in the Tenakh/Old Testament:<BR/><BR/><I>No longer will a man teach his neighbor,<BR/> or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'<BR/> because they will all know me,<BR/> from the least of them to the greatest,"<BR/> declares the LORD.<BR/> "For I will forgive their wickedness<BR/> and will remember their sins no more."</I><BR/><BR/>So, at some point in the future, everyone will know the Lord; God will reveal Himself to everyone at some point. That will be awesome to see, I hope I'm alive during that time.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-61885079903177181172007-07-07T13:57:00.000-05:002007-07-07T13:57:00.000-05:00and then there's Revelation... with all the angels...and then there's Revelation... with all the angels doing their thing (and some pretty incredible things going on, mind you) do people repent and recognise Him? Nope. So indeed, how can God prove himself? Well, methinks the question itself is already telling and misleading into a discussion filled with holes since God doesn't need to prove Himself. Why should He prove himself to us in a manner satisfying our reasoning? Seems backwards. The dialogue on the mountain is apt: Whom shall i tell the people you are? "I AM"<BR/><BR/>When we presuppose how God can/should prove Himself, we've already started to "invent" _a_ god and attribute that to The Almighty. That invention is where the argument unravels and we end up defending our own presuppositions. <BR/><BR/>Rather, if we're talking about something/someone we can't fully comprehend (one of the conditions required in order to be considered a _higher_ power :) our stance should reflect as such- one of submission. <BR/><BR/>Which begs the question: LORD, How did you show yourself (already)?<BR/><BR/>Questions as these, albeit useful exercises, tend to position ourselves above God from the outset, and therein lies the rub.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6836835.post-91338278771740497572007-07-06T19:15:00.000-05:002007-07-06T19:15:00.000-05:00Okay, so it looks like I am first :)First of cours...Okay, so it looks like I am first :)<BR/><BR/>First of course, is that God has already done this with Yeshua. He came in flesh and showed Himself to everyone with signs and wonders and they crucified Him.<BR/><BR/>When the rich man was in the hell and asked to go to his family and warn them, he was told that they would not even believe one sent back from the dead.<BR/><BR/>On the other end of it, He will do just that soon! When He returns it says that "every" eye will behold Him. He will setup His kingdom here on earth and even then, there will still be some that turn away.<BR/><BR/>So, at the end of the day, the mere fact that we exist (or anything for that matter) and all that God has created, the Bible says testifies of Him and no one has an excuse. If people still want to build their own gods or follow others who have built their own, then there is not much that can be done, but to live by example and pray for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com